Welcome to "The Practitioner-Scholar: The PennCLO Podcast" where scholarly insights meet industry demands.

This podcast is your gateway to the strategies and success indicators that matter in organizational learning and leadership. From exploring the unique selling points of practitioner-scholar approaches to highlighting the luminaries in our student and alumni circles, we weave a rich narrative of insights. Whether you're a curious learner, an up-and-coming leader, or a seasoned executive, this is your platform for intellectual engagement and practical takeaways. Subscribe to tailor your learning journey through the multifaceted landscape of leadership.

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Episode 11: Harnessing Film for Leadership Development

In this episode of The Practitioner Scholar, hosts Maria Luisa Underwood and Lisa-Marie Aird interview Dr. Douglas Clayton, a visionary in corporate learning and culture transformation. Dr. Clayton, founder and CEO of Leadership Filmworks LLC, shares his journey through the Penn CLO program and how it shaped his unique approach to leadership development using filmmaking.

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Episode 10: The Serious Research of Workplace Fun.

In this episode of the Practitioner Scholar, host Julio Zelaya sits down with Dr. Janet Duliga, a distinguished executive and alumna of the Penn CLO Executive Program. Dr. Duliga, currently the Chief Corporate Officer at Prada Group, shares her extensive journey through law, psychology, and human resources, emphasizing her passion for organizational learning and leadership.

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Episode 9: Authenticity in Leadership and Why it Matters

Dr. Mark Kaestner, an alum of the Penn Chief Learning Officer program and VP at Ball Corporation, shares his insights on authentic leadership. He discusses his journey through the Penn CLO program, the essence of leadership authenticity, and strategies for building trust with teams.

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Episode 8: From the Navy to Academia: Insights on Ethical Leadership

Dr. Peg Klein, a distinguished alumna of the Penn Chief Learning Officer (CLO) program, shares her unique journey from growing up near a Naval base to becoming a Navy officer and eventually an ethical leadership scholar, defined by James Bass's concept of self-discipline and accountability, and its critical role in organizational success.

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Episode 7: Mastering Stress and Leadership in High-Stakes Environments

In this episode of the Practitioner Scholar podcast, host Jess Jones interviews Dr. John 'Coach' Havlick, a retired Navy SEAL Captain, Hall of Fame swimmer, and Penn CLO graduate. They discuss Dr. Havlick's storied career and his subsequent career in consulting and academia, while Dr. Havlick shares insights from his book 'The Leadership Killer' and his Ph.D. research.

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Episode 6: Branding as an Executive

In this episode of the Practitioner Scholar podcast, hosted by Lisa-Marie Aird, we welcome Dr. Lilian Ajayi Ore. Dr.Ore, an alum of the Penn Chief Learning Officer (CLO) program, shares her journey and insights from her extensive career in global diplomacy, corporate industry, consulting, and academia. The discussion centers around the importance of having a strategic digital presence for executives and emerging leaders.

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Episode 5: Leading the Charge: Reshaping Executive Leadership for the Modern Age

In this enlightening episode of the Practitioner Scholar, Lisa-Marie Aird welcomes Dr. Raj Ramachandran, a trailblazer in leadership consulting and an alum of the Penn CLO program's first cohort, who shares his personal journey from being legally blind to becoming a renowned consultant, igniting a passion for creating tangible societal impacts

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Episode 4: AI-Powered Learning: Navigating the Future of Talent Development


In this episode of the Practitioner Scholar, hosted by Melissa Monti, Dr. Ann Schulte, a Penn CLO program alumna and current Senior Vice President of Talent Development and Chief Learning Officer at Procter & Gamble, discusses the integration of AI in talent development and the importance of an always Beta mindset for continuous workplace innovation.

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Episode 3: Diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Belonging Unleashed: Turning Buzzwords into Business Breakthroughs

With over 30 years of experience in education and organizational development, María Luisa García Underwood, CEO of M. Ideas Consulting Services, Inc., shares her journey into the field of Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Belonging (DEIB).

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Episode 2: Unlocking the Resilience Code: Emotional Intelligence and Burnout Immunity

In this compelling podcast episode, Dr. Kandi Wiens, author of Burnout Immunity, joins us to shed light on the science of resilience and emotional intelligence. Dr. Wiens' pioneering research serves as the foundation for a discussion that aims to answer the pressing question: why do some individuals thrive under stress while others falter?

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Episode 1: Redefining the Learning Leader Role: Elevating Learning Strategies for Organizational Excellence


We converse with Dr. Keith Keating, author of 'The Trusted Learning Advisor,' to focus on the evolving role of learning leaders in today's organizations and explore how his groundbreaking book offers a transformative framework for learning leaders, emphasizing innovative strategies that go beyond traditional methods.

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